记者(Reporter):From your words, I noticed that you repeated harmony, you emphasized it. But unharmonious things and conflict occurred everyday around the world, what do you think of it?
我注意到,您反复提到了融合。但是不协调的事、冲突每天都在发生,您有什么看法?
雷蒙教授(Doc Lehman):This is part of why I love law and part of why I believed that legal profession is so important everywhere in the world. Of course everywhere there is conflict just as you say, how do you resolve conflict? People can resolve conflict either by fighting each other, or by trying to negotiate, a settlement, a way to make both sides comfortable with the result. Lawyers are the people who can help people who are in conflict to find their way to compromise. Well-trained lawyers can help promote that.
And so I think of law as a very creative kind of profession. Sometimes of course there is no way to resolve a conflict, sometime there is no compromise, it may be a point of principle for each side, each side says I am right, and it’s not something that I can compromise, I can settle. And then when that happens, we want a system that will be able to find a just result, a fair result, the right result. And there again, lawyers play the crucial role because lawyers are the ones who are able to say how should we decide what is just, how should we decide what is fair, what is right.
And they can develop the arguments on each side, and they can present them to a neutral decider whether it is a judge or government official or an arbitrator. And in each case , whether it is compromise, a settlement or finding the way to the just result, the lawyer can be the center, the lawyer can be a part of it, so you are exactly right, sometimes there is a way to harmony, sometimes there is not, in either case, a well-trained lawyer can promote the best outcome, that’s possibly.
这就是我喜欢法律的一个原因, 当然,正如你所说,任何地方都有冲突发生,那么你该如何去解决冲突呢?人们可以通过相互打架的方式来解决,也可以通过谈判之类的方式来使双方都满意。律师就是解决问题的人,他们能够帮助起纷争的人找到和解的方式,一个训练有素的律师就能够做到这一点。
我认为律师职业是一个充满创造性的职业。当然有些时候某个问题是无法解决的,有些时候双方都不妥协,每一方都坚守阵地,都认为自己才是对的,这种情况没有和解余地的,无法解决问题。当这种情况发生时,我们就需要寻求一个体系,在这个体系中可以找到一个公平合理的结果。在这里,律师再次起到了关键的作用,因为律师可以指出什么是公平的,什么合理的,什么是对的。他们可以同时从双方当事人的角度去看问题,他们把自己摆到了一个中间决定者的位置上,不管是法官、政府官员或仲裁者。
在每一起案例中,不管是调停工作或是找到公平的解决方案,律师都处于中间者地位,是其中的以部分。有时候可以找到和解的方案,有时候没有和解的方案,在这两种情况下,一名训练有素的律师就能够找到最佳的解决方案,这是有可能的。